Stay classy Greg, or who ever the hell you are.

There is nothing classy about Barca or Larson, my post gives them more respect than they deserve.
I am actually Jon Erpenbach and I have, until now, cleverly disguised myself as a cool guy named Greg. I hope that helps Keith, or whomever the hell you are.

This is truly an insult to the turd sandwiches and Giant Douches in both cases

Isn`t there a commercial for Playtex with a white plastic tube and string attached called "Greg"?

Oh wow Scott, you are so good at this!

Greg,

It's funny how the liberals are all over this "closing the skills gap" now but when they controlled the state several years ago it did not seem to be a top priority.

hmmmm.... wasn't there a mining bill, that would have meant Thousands of jobs, a while ago that the Dems shot down with the help of a RINO?

No Jake, there wasn't a mining bill that would have meant "thousands" of jobs. Permanent jobs, anyway, more like 800. And no guarantee whatsoever that any of those jobs would have gone to Wisconsinites. 800 jobs with a price tag of potential disaster because the soil composition of the area was being presented as one thing while an independent study indicated the presence of hazardous minerals. So many questions were raised. And not answered.

And if a new bill is presented for the legislature, it had better answer these questions and also go as far as possible to ensure that Wisconsin workers get top priority in hiring. Previously, not one member of the mining company's appointed leadership team for Wisconsin was from our state. Not even the IT person.

Bren is right. There is no way any other business would have been generated by 800 new jobs in the area. No way.

Bren is also right that none of the employees need to live in Wisconsin. They can be flown in from other states in the morning and flown back home in the evening. You people need to think these things out. Lojistickz.

Great two years? Even using the BS figures from the Department of Workfarce Development it will take Walker 16 years to reach his goal, if John Doe doesn't get him first.

So Keith. I have read your comments and the only conclusion I can come to is that you like to try and ridicule people and basically act in a dismissive manner as opposed to just adding comments. Is that because you think you are more intelligent than others or because you really have nothing to say except to spew negative liberal comments?

Governor Walkers record will stand for itself. He is a strong leader. We need that in Wisconsin. I am fed up with the Democratic partying and their destroying our common sense values. We need a third party to replace those ill thinking dems.

Keith wrote: "Great two years? Even using the BS figures from the Department of Workfarce Development it will take Walker 16 years to reach his goal..."

It sure beats the figures from the Diamond Jim Doyle era where we would all be unemployed in 28 years.

Governor Walker and the Republican Legislature are working hard to create and ENVIRONMENT that would attract business to start or move in Wisconsin, despite the best efforts of Barack Hussein Obama!

You sang the same song 6 months ago.

And lost, again. Maybe Christopher the thief Larson will run.

People voted against the recall, not for Walker.

But it's just great when you all wrap yourselves in a soft, comfy cocoon of hubris.

Now I'll sit back and watch all the insane, out of control anger that you all are famous for. And yes, I stole $1,000,000 using a bookstore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKHSAE1gIs

Makes New Years resolution not to play in the mud. A day later he's back in the mud. Two days later he's begging people to harass him about Open Book.

Keith, if you ever wonder why people think you're an idiot, you need look no further than this.

Blah. Blah. Blah. ALEC. Blah. Blah. Blah. Walker. Bren, you just don't get it, do you? He ran and won. He was challenged in a recall and won. Because of this, the state won.

Bren:

It seems pretty obvious from this article that the dems are doing everything they can to increase the divisiveness. They aren't at all interested in working with Walker and the Republicans to find common ground--they only seek to oppose Walker and everything that republicans are seeking to do for the state.

Bren, Walker's ability to read a contract, and understand it, far exceeds yours.

Bren wrote: "I'm certain Wisconsin can do better than Scott Walker..."

No, it can't.

Greg, the song doesn't change. I learned a bit about how Walker operated when he was County Executive, and that "bit" was enough for me to know he should not be governor. And that "bit" didn't include the secret email system or ALEC. I can't forget what I know or pretend I don't know it. I can't ignore it, either.

Brian, there's no argument from me that he won, both times. He did.

Cow, I'm not sure how good Wisconsinites can embrace an out-of-state special interest group's desires and ignore their own needs. It seems irresponsible to me. Walker and his legislative sycophants create the divisiveness with arrogance and strict adherence to a national cookie-cutter agenda. We should all protest this self-serving agenda.

c, because you know all about me, right? ; )

After all your 39 cent words a sentences the people still want to have less opportunity for the leaches and parasites to start feeding on the taxpayers again !

Illinois must be a nice place, that's their hideout when they want to duck out of their responsibilities

Oh Marty, We can`t take you anywhere. You just Pooped your pants again.

@Young Conservative....I don't remember you being with me in the voting booth. Keep guessing.

Did you vote for Obama or Romney? Did you vote for Barrett or Walker?

I honestly don't think people are going to hold Walker responsible for Grothman's brainfarts, anymore than any Democratic Governor in the past has been held responsible for the nonsense that spilled out of the pieholes of some of Milwaukee's more notorious Democratic newsmakers.

The best bet for the Democrats is keeping the flames of hatred alive amongst teachers and other public employees (and their sympathizers) who resent having to make the sacrifices they did via Act 10. With Obama not being on the ballot, they need to maximize the turnout amongst that particular demographic.

@Bob McBride....I agree that people won't see Walker responsible for the "Wackos", but he must maintain his distance and try to keep his party in line. I also don't think people will hold him too accountable for the poor job growth. Anyone with any gray matter what so ever, understands that no single elected executive can make a significant difference with economics, i.e. Barack Obama. However, I am concerned about the mining bill and what they are prepared to give away. Also, I am looking for more information on this capitalization for small business and what is involved. I have been fairly disappointed with the private/public partnership for business creation.

There aren't enough teachers and public employees to swing the election one way or another. It's a waste of time to put much effort one way or another into public employees.

Well there were enough to launch a recall effort. I don't know what else the Democrats have to work with. Anyone who's offended by Walker's and the Republican's take on social issues most likely didn't vote against the recall on principle in the first place. Either the economy is going to be enough of an issue to cause people who voted against to recall to now vote against Walker, or they're going to have to recreate the fervor of the recall and hope for massive turnout amongst those I mentioned before.

You've still got people who supposedly know something about politics banking on the John Doe investigation. That tells me they don't think Walker's going to do himself in, or that they can successfully taint him by association with the Glen Grothman types in state politics.

@Bob McBride....I don't think that the governor has anything to worry about from the John Doe investigation. If they would have had something, it would have come about by now. That's why I claim that the next election is the Republicans to lose because I don't see the Democrats as being able to mount a viable campaign outside their protected districts. For one, who would they be able to run for governor that would have any credible chance of winning? I think the Democrats have a long rebuilding process and it must begin with getting rid of the state party leadership. Personally, I don't care about the Dems since I am a social democrat and I view issues much more differently.

"Personally, I don't care about the Dems since I am a social democrat and I view issues much more differently." yes, I am so better educated and enlightened than most of you unwashed hoi polloi....yet I vote Democrat 100% of the time.

Mr. Ruble raises some very good points. The Republicans will have to lead or they will be pushed out of the way. Mr. Walker will continue to win elections if he stays focused on economic issues.

With regard to the Democrats, they would be wise to be for something rather than simply against Walker. Political parties that are simply against the other guy don't attract enough voters to win elections.

And finally, this article is simply a regurgitation of a press release and is disguised as a news story. There is not much challenging reporting going on here.

@Jay Sykes.... As far as taconite mining goes, I can't think of any disappearing mine owners. Taconite mining is probably the most easily reclaimed land after mining concludes. New processes for taconite reclamation have proven to be the most successful of all mining reclamation. as long as municipal sludge is part of the reclamation. As far as the Gogebic company is concerned, I wouldn't trust them any farther than I could throw an elephant, controlling interest is owned by the owners of Massey Coal.

@Lyle... We are in agreement, that we should not trust this or any taconite mining company. We owe this, or any taconite mining company, a definitive process/timeline for approval or rejection based on science and 'local' input.

Inserting the Governor and Legislature in the approval process of each and every taconite mine just confirms the 'Wisconsin is unfriendly to business' moniker.

The pollution potential of copper mining is a multiple of taconite;I'm not sure as of yet, we can create a clear codified process/timeline for copper mine approvals, like we can(should) for taconite mining .

*****Statements by the Democratic Party is pretty much efforts

Lyle - you usually are able to get your subject and verb to agree....

****If the state Republicans don't focus exclusively on economic conditions .... leaving social issues alone

Democrats screaming "War on Women" in 3, 2, 1....

******There is already a growing divide between the governor and legislative majority leaders over THIS (emphasis red's) issue.

Uhhh Lyle. You didn't identify an "issue".

******people like Grothman could sink the Republican ship

Put Lyle down as an adherent to the neo-marxist holiday of Kwanzaaa!!!!

How misinformed can you get Steve? "Thousands" will be employed. Are you kidding? Most of the work will be done with automated machines with this type of mine. A similar mine near Tomah employs 43 people at $18 per hour. We won't see the tax revenue for years, but we will see the pollution right away and it will stain the area for a LONG time. Looks like you are penny wise and pound foolish.

So the workers dont pay taxes, dont spend their money, etc? This is years away? Talk about foolish.

All you do is repeat the libtard talking points. You have to be smarter than that.

Jason calling someone out for being misinformed? That's pretty rich after your 'turd water' blog and your 'semi-automatic bone-bouncing bullet' claims...

Have you apologized to Sanfelippo yet, Jason?

Jason thinks his Rachel Maddow glasses make him look smart.

Cabela's and Gander MT are all sold out of the .223 "semi-automatic bone-bouncing bullets", Jason must have purchased them all.

http://www.greendale.k12.wi.us/district/schoolboardmain/agendas_minutes/assets/Minutes-Annual%2009.pdf

An example of Jason's mindless idiocy. Glad the Greendale board stood up to the "ex-educator" That is great. It should have read, "Jason Patzfahl, one time substitute and now unemployed Libtard"

$18/hour is very good money in Monroe County.

@Steve...If they are going to recycle last year's mining bill, I have two primary concerns. 1. The DNR accelerated time period to less than two years. 2. 40% of the fees and taxes collected going into the general fund rather than into mine impact and reclamation fund.

In the first case, environmental impact may take longer than two years to adequately do an in depth study. I would rather see taking the time on the front end than to take years in the courts.

My experience with mines and mine owners is that once the mine is profitably played out, mine holding companies disappear, usually through bankruptcy or reorganization and leave the local community and tax payers holding the bag for clean up. The ownership of mines and finding responsible parties is as hard as trying to prove paternity in the inner city.

@Lyle... Can you cite some examples of taconite mines, that began operation after the start of EPA, where the closing/reclamation went awry and they needed to find the long disappeared mine owner/operator.

No, Lyle can't site anything other than basic liberal talking points. So Lyle, what is your plan to get the economy going in WI? Don't state it in generalities, give specifics. Specific companies and their industries that you can bring in and jump start WI. I don't want to hear how we have to bridge the education gap because that is all you liberals talk about. The funny thing is that you had years under Doyle to get that specific piece done and you are still talking about it.

@Jason

Jason you are probably the most pathetically ignorant blogger on here, and your post about guns really showed everyone, liberal and conservative alike, just how damned stupid you are.

If not for mining and other businesses, there would be no tax revenue for which to support weak effeminate women's glasses wearing liberals like YOU.

@Ruble's Conscience....I have advocated small business creation in conjunction with the UW System. As far as entrepreneurial enterprise is concerned it seems this has been the most successful. The business climate in Madison is proof of this process. I don't think we can attract business from out of state for a variety of reasons. First and foremost, what do we have to offer that other states don't? Republicans seem to think that lowering taxes or eliminating taxes is enough incentive to attract out of state business, but it isn't. If that were the case, we should see Illinois companies lined up at the border. Gaining an advantage for being a Right To Work Law state; that time has passed. Having been part of corporate teams to start new operations; I know there are a number of issues to take into consideration when a company decides to start or move operations. Wisconsin comes up short on any number of issues, including stable energy access, supply and affordability.

Wisconsin's strength can come from technology development in medicine, food production/processing, water resources, and water reclamation. We also need to focus on education that is focused on those fields. We must take a much longer view and prepare for the future and not the past. Wisconsin will never again be a heavy industry center and attempting to recreate such is a wasted effort.

So basically Lyle, you have no answer. Your answer is that we can't attract business here, right now, so it is better to have none than something. See how I get that down into a couple sentences. You have no specific companies from those businesses but yet you will poke holes in having the mine. Like I always tell the people that work for me "If you have a better idea then let's here it, but be specific". Nothing you mentioned was right down to the nuts and bolts of the problem and that is jobs. I do agree that we need to focus on specific skill sets to get employers here but in the meantime the state needs jobs without all the loop holes and regulations that would make it next to impossible for a 40 something to put a round peg in a round hole. We cannot wait for the skills to come via government paid re-education which the liberal mind loves to throw out there. It comes down to this - You either want this state to be successful or you do not, period. From what i have see of Liberal politics in Wisconsin there is a lot of talk and meetings but very little action.

Jason, unlike you I have years of actual mining experience. I'm done explaining to the low informed how a mine creates jobs OUTSIDE of the mine.

We do not have taconite mining in this state so where is this mine near Tomah? Do you mean the sand quarry? They use that sand for fracking. Its far from a taconite mine. Or a mine at all. It is a quarry, well sort of its more of a strip operation. I'll bring this up next time I talk to one of the employees there, they'll chuckle at the "big city folk" that don't know much of anything.

Who's foolish now?

Lyle brings up good concerns about a mine but first we do need a deadline to the studies. Otherwise we will continue to have zero mining and production in this state. Reclamation is easy to write in/fund and can be done later on another step of the process.

Minnesota does this daily. 2 years max for a study then they approve/deny and get to work.

Saying we need years and years to study something that doesn't exist is not progress, it's obstruction. We're not innovating taconite mining here, it's done just miles away.

Drill holes my friends
Employ thousands

►Most of the work will be done with automated machines with this type of mine◄

I love this quote too.

lol Jason lets go to Virgina MN, I'll show you a brand new taconite mine that is opening up. It's full of robots and stuff, not an operator anywhere. You'll be amazed at the computers that run the drills, haul trucks, scoopers, crushers, plant equipment.
Then we'll go into town for a bite to eat. They have these LCD screens and you place your order. A robot, that never breaks down, makes and serves your food.

It's like the future but today
So when are you free my friend?

@Steve ® - Explain why your lovely, thriving iron mining town, Virginia, Minnesota, has lost population since 1960, according to the U.S. Census. That is half a century of negative growth.
"Thousands of jobs" for a taconite mine Up North makes me wonder if you were working in Scott Walker's promise factory two years ago..

@Ruble's Conscience....You don't have any answers either or you would have shared them. One or two mines aren't going to change the economy in this state. The state should have been preparing since the collapse of the "rust belt" in 1982. Pittsburgh did it, why not Milwaukee? The state must start sometime, why not now? In the last thirty years of my career, I made five relocation moves connected with my career. I worked in highly technical fields, including heavy industries. I don't feel for the 40 somethings, if they need to relocate or retrain, then that is what they need to do. My last six years was involved in the field of environmental lubricants and the application of environmental friendly technologies. There is opportunity out there for those who want to take advantage of it. The bottom line is you're clueless.

It is not a question whether we want to see this state successful or not. The reality is that while you all were sleeping. business slipped away and wasn't replaced. Simple business practices have been ignored and too many people sat on their asses clipping coupons while the rest of the world moved on. Wisconsin got caught up in the perfect storm and business leaders did not respond in a manner that would have built sustainable business. The right blames unions and the left blames business, it's both. Unions don't control capital and business direction. It is primarily the failure of lack luster and ineffective business leadership.

@Steve....You better clarify automatic mining operations. It is a new and developing technology. Most people don't understand what is involved with mining operations and what type of skills that are needed. Any automated operation requires an army of maintenance technicians and maintenance workers. You can't even walk a drag line shovel without humans operating the systems or operators for blast hole drill rigs. If anyone thinks that someone can just walk in off the street and get a mine job, they are sadly mistaken. We will see a large influx of miners from out of state to set up and operate the proposed mine. The greatest gain will probably be in the manufacture of mining equipment such as drag line shovels, apron conveyors, crushers, filters, etc. Don't paint a picture that is too positive, because its not.

As far as frac sand mining, there are problems with reclamation knowledge and it is currently being studied. hey really don't know yet all the problems associated with the process. Before you keep going I think you need to share what professional interest you have in these projects. From what you've written it sounds as if you are in line to make a lot of money if the mines go in.

******The business climate in Madison is proof of this process.

The business climate in Madison is proof that a giant vacuum cleaner sucking taxpayer money from all over the state can attract companies.

BTW it is such an elitist approach to say businesses must be fostered by some university partnership. What are you proposing for the unemployed in Milwaukee's inner city? Elitist -nose in the air cares not for fellow citizens.

Lyle. You better re read and see the massive sarcasm that was injected in my post at the clueless Jason.

After reading your entire post you either are unable to grasp concept, think my name is Jason, or really have no real knowledge on mining. And I think it's the later. I believe like your other experiences you have an academic understanding of things, but less real world experiences.

I have explained to you last week my experience in this subject.

Good question. They're most likely going to need a game changer. I'm thinking a woman. There's one who seems to be countering every Walker pronouncement with one of her own, making sure she keeps her name above the fold, and who's still renting in her current district, best I can tell. Nobody'd ever sell her short in the ambition department. A bit unrealistic at this point, but who knows? Anything can happen.

Unless they can come up with a viable black candidate, it's either a woman or accept a loss again. Larson and Barca excite no one. Barrett's worn out his welcome. Average white bread isn't going to cut it.

As of late, guys named Tom/Tommy haven't worked out well for the (D)'s or the (R)'s.

You know, Jay, I was gonna say if the Dems wanted to kind of punt this time around due to thinking it's a no-win regardless of who they run, they could probably get Tommy for a song, put nothing into the campaign, save their funds for the next time around and let him do his thing. He's down for just about any platform, comes with his own self-generating publicity operation (assuming any kind of publicity is better than none) and could probably produce a healthy enough showing simply on name recognition alone to keep some third party at a reasonable distance from legitimacy for yet another election cycle..

Maybe we could trade Tommy for Abele.

@Bob McBride....There has to be issues to run on, not just because they are an "evil Republican". Currently there isn't an issue for the Dems. to get their teeth into.

Lyle, I agree. The best "ground game" the Democrats could have is being pro-active in issues that benefit the state.

Lyle, when have we ever been at a loss for issues?

Trust me, there'll be an issue, or issues, of some sort by the time election season comes along. Real or manufactured, there's always an issue...

Did you just miss the election where a Tammy Baldwin beat Tommy Thompson?

Truth be told I NEVER thought that was possible.

You are correct, the question is who will run.

But to say the recall killed the democrats is pretty far fetched.

Tammy Baldwin just spanked Tommy Thompson and Obama won Wisconsin handily.

If a year ago someone told me Tammy Baldwin would have destroyed Tommy Thompson statewide I would have told them they were stoned.

But the proof is in the vote count.

The good guys can win statewide if they have almost as much money as the republicans.

Well that and if they can get Obama to run again in 2014.

And we got him from being F'd by the Democrats so many times.

Herpes. John why don't you explain every single detail about herpes?
I know you are an expert on that topic.

John, He is a "Mutant strain of sub-human filth.

Yep typical petty self-hating liberal: because Keif cannot even run a simple bookstore, he is then going to go all sour-grapes and hate on any successful business.

If a business tanks due to union stupidity, he surely can't blame the union so he goes after the company.

Tell me, oh drunk slumlord Keif - did YOU hire unionistas at your bookstore scam?

Who knew?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-37141977/what-can-you-buy-for-35000/

Here's an option:
http://zenhabits.net/how-i-paid-off-35000-in-debt-and-how-you-can-too/

@patchreader 123 - If a failed business that took down some public financing with it is such a shame, let's look at all those companies that were bribed by a local government to locate there, and then failed. Or all those start-up funds from the State that are lost forever. Mostly hot shot Republicans on the make. Rich one day, broke the next, then rich again. Investing in such businesses is the risk governments take for economic growth. And we are talking millions of dollars, not thousands.
And we try to teach our children that, if you fail, get up and try again. Don't mope around and be depressed and hide in the corner.
Shame on your unforgiving, Calvinist attitude in this modern day,

You comment regarding my purported limited atonement (Calvinism?) is misplaced. I am not critical or unforgiving of his business failings. In fact, in past comments, I have given him credit for attempting to open a business and grow the economy, despite his failings. Look it up.

However, since that comment, I have come to realize and become critical of his extreme hubris in view of such a failing. A person defaulting on a government loan calling others “jack@sses” and other names, for disagreeing with his views on government spending, is arrogant, audacious, and a hypocrite. His own conduct has resulted in any scarlet letter that he wears.

Shame on me? No, Dirk. Shame on him.

Mostly hot shot Republicans on the make. Rich one day, broke the next, then rich again.

Yada yada yada . Republicans. I wonder how much moola Doyle got from that Spanish train manufacturer? The one who refused to consider African Americans for employment.

http://themilwaukeedrum.com/2010/11/17/blacks-need-not-apply-why-coggs-taylor-grigsby-and-others-need-you-to-stay-uninformed/

Tammy spent more than Tommy.
Governor Walker won because he did what he was elected to do.
Lefties being cheap is no excuse. 1 million signatures and $3 miilion in support is pathetic.
The propaganda machine promoted the Governor's platform, Barrett had NOTHING.
We Republicans/conservatives are people too. Keep discounting us, we like that.
100% Walker will be running.
Education snobs are boring, some of the most successful people don't have a degree.

@Dorothy - It is people like you that make us Democrats. Keep up the good work.

Don't blame Dorothy for bongs and bad weed.

@Craig - "Don't blame Dorothy for bongs and bad weed."
OK. the way she writes, maybe she innocently got ahold of some bad stuff.

Dirk....a new twist to "go to see the wizard"?
;)

She`s drinking the Tea Party`s favorite, Koo-laid. The parties are still for (Little) girls.

@Dirk Gutzmiller -- The name 'Dorothy', which has not been popular in some time, might signify a demographic whose reduced reasoning and comprehension leave them vulnerable to fleecing through carefully manipulated semantics and fine print.

@Dorothy -- My family has lived in this state since 1860, and I'm not about to leave just because of a temporary takeover by political dinosaurs. I hear that Florida and Arizona are very warm this time of year and probably more to your liking politically.

"GUMBLE, GUMBLE." Sorry but that's hilarious!

Sorry Dorothy, but the GREAT REPUBLICANS in our fine state are rubber-stamping a national special-interest group agenda. They help billionaires like Diane Hendricks. And people like you help to promote that special interest agenda because their strategists know how to play your enlarged amygdala like a Strad. Not sure you'll understand all that but no one should like being used.

As far as leaving Wisconsin, my family has lived on this continent since the early 17th Century. One of my ancestors is a signer of the Declaration of Independence. Three are heroes of the Revolutionary War, and members of my family have served with distinction in every major military action since. I may live where I wish. So unless you can match that pedigree I don't believe you have the right to tell anyone where to live. Having that pedigree doesn't even give me the right. That's the greatness of our country, freedom.

And you remind me of Linus, go suck your thumb Twit!

Change is coming. Yes it is.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/01/conservative-fever-starting-break

Is the Conservative Fever Starting to Break?

—By Kevin Drum
| Wed Jan. 30, 2013 12:13 PM PST

Andrew Sullivan thinks there's been a tectonic shift since Barack Obama's reelection:

It's not just the return to Clinton tax rates for the very wealthy; it's a real cultural shift as well. In the last week, we have seen the Boy Scouts back off a national policy of excluding openly gay scouts and scout-masters (which means the Mormon hierarchy must have not made too big a fuss); we have Tom Tancredo almost smoking a joint in public (don't make a bet with him on anything in the future); we have Sean Hannity's ratings plummeting; we see gay couples included in the president's comprehensive immigration reform; we have Limbaugh edging ever-so-slightly toward Rubio on immigration.

That chart does surprise me. Not because Obama's favorables are up five points. That seems like fairly standard inaugural honeymoon stuff. But his unfavorables are down ten points. Some of that is honeymoon stuff too, and it will wash out soon enough. Still, it's a big drop, and it suggests that maybe a bit of the fever has broken on the right. Maybe.....

Only for my favorite propagandist #re-hash poster;lets look at the actual numbers (Nielsen) for January 2013.

TOTAL DAY:
FNC: 1,029,000 total viewers; (209,000 in 25-54)
MSNBC: 491,000 total viewers; (160,000 in 25-54)
CNN: 448,000 total viewers; (135,000 in 25-54)

PRIMETIME:
FNC: 1,617,000 total viewers; (267,000 in 25-54)
MSNBC: 790,000 total viewers; (235,000 in 25-54)
CNN: 664,000 total viewers; (200,000 in 25-54)

Democrats had the freedom of choice when they voted, but they don't have a choice from the consequences of their decisions.