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Greenfield High School Combating Tardies with Unorthodox Policy

After 90 students were tardy for first hour on Wednesday, principal Paul Thusius decided it was time for a drastic change.

 

Greenfield High School principal Paul Thusius has taken an unorthodox measure in an effort to curb the school's first-hour tardy epidemic.

On Thursday, Thusius implemented a new protocol that calls for all students that are tardy first hour to report to the Performing Arts Center. They remain there for the entire first hour and are not allowed to eat or drink. They can’t text or talk and can’t listen to music.

They are there to reflect on being late, Thusius said, and do homework, if they wish.

Tardiness has been a huge problem at Greenfield High School in the six years since the school start time switched to 7:10 a.m. The high school had 9,671 instances of first-hour tardies during 2011-12, up from 8,591 in 2010-11. The high school had 7,200 or more tardies in the 2007-08, 08-09 and 09-10 school years after having just 4,086 in 2006-07, when school started at 7:15 a.m.

But the tipping point for Thusius came this semester, when through the first month, more than 600 different students had at least one first-hour tardy. On Wednesday alone, 90 students were late to their first-hour class.

“I was under the impression as I looked at the numbers and saw the same kids coming late every day, we have 5-10 percent of these kids coming late every day and it’s very hard to change their behavior,” Thusius said.

“But as we collected more detailed information, I found out the first month 609 students were tardy at least once. That’s over 40 percent of the kids in the school. I know for a fact you can affect the behavior of some of that 40 percent.

“It’s becoming a culture issue at the school and in the community with the parents.”

Thusius, in his second year as principal, said he and his staff had tried positive reinforcement efforts to quell the rising tardy count. He said he’d pop into various first-hour classes and ask teachers if they had any tardies. If they did not, he’d offer candy and other small rewards to the students. His hope was that if there was one student who cost the class a reward, he or she would be peer pressured into being on time the next day.

But things continued to get worse, and Thusius decided to it was time to “drop the hammer,” as he put it.

“It’s punitive, I know that,” Thusius said. “I don’t like taking punitive measures because when you do that it sometimes sets up an adversarial relationship and we want a cooperative relationship. But behaviors weren’t changing.”

Thusius said the toughest part about his decision was keeping late students in the PAC for all of first hour. He knows the move is counterintuitive when it comes to learning. But he said at times, certain first-hour classes were being interrupted five to six times by different students showing up tardy, impacting everyone’s learning.

“It’s the lesser of two evils. Decisions like this are never straightforward,” he said. “I’m hoping in the long run it pays off for everyone.”

Parent feedback mixed

Reaction to the new policy has drawn mixed results among parents on Greenfield Patch’s Facebook page.

Parents against the move called the idea horrible and juvenile, and one parent said a zero-tolerance policy is not the answer.

“Why should the child be punished for the parent’s actions,” she wrote.

She added, “Does the administration think the kids are really reflecting on their actions or just happy to get out of class.”

But some parents think it’s a great idea.

“It starts in the home with setting guidelines for success,” one parent wrote. I don’t want the late students distracting my child’s learning time.

That parent added, “This policy has stopped classroom disruptions and time will tell if it helps with the volume of tardiness. At least they are trying to be proactive.”

And though it is far too early to see if Thusius’ idea is working, the preliminary results are encouraging. After the 90 tardies on Wednesday, and some days reaching nearly 100 prior to that, there were 65 students tardy on Thursday and only 35 on Friday.

Thusius said there are factors that play a role in the tardies, including parents simply not getting their students to school on time. He knows that traffic at the school is problematic in the morning, but believes more parents and students getting to school earlier than right before the first bell would fix that problem.

And of course, there's the hotly debated start time of 7:10 a.m., one of the earliest start times in the state. Changing the school start time is expected to be discussed by the School Board again Monday, but Thusius isn’t so sure it would fix the high school’s current tardy problem.

“It’s a complex issue. It’s more complex than an easy yes or no,” he said. “I don’t think that moving the start time back is going to have an overwhelming impact on the tardy issue. Having said that, the bigger issue to examine is how does the start time affect student learning. … That’s the essential issue in moving the start time, to me."

Related Topics: Greenfield High School, Paul Thusius, and School start times

Ann

3:34 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

About time they did something - it is not the start time - it is the kids and parents that are the problem. There are parents in the school district who think they rule the roost and to h.... with the school - well now your kid can pay for your lazy actions. For the students that are tardied due to their actions - well now you can pay the price. Time to grow up - you are not goint get your way with constantly showing up late for your job - your boss will show your butt the door and the unemployment line.

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KHD

4:11 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

Ann: Agreed, it is about time Parents and Kids are held accountable.

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Hope

4:15 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

I hope you stay on top of this so parents can see it it really works.

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GHS Parent

4:27 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

And are they going to make the bus drivers sit in there with them too when the buses cannot get the kids to school on time either?

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Another GHS Parent

6:40 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

Maybe if your little angels would be out at the bus stop on time, just maybe the buses would arrive at school on time. Dont blame the bus drivers!

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GreenfieldParent

12:13 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Don't worry about the bus drivers, worry about getting your kids to do what they are supposed to have to.

Heather Schulz

4:58 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

Why does school start so early and how many school busses transport students to school?

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GreenfieldParent

12:12 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Who cares? Get your kids there when it starts, or before if it is busy.

RAJ

5:58 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

Agree 100% Ann, after I got the call I checked Twitter, go look and see how many kids thought it would be funny to be late on Thursday, glad he did this, it is not a joke anymore.

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Johnny

9:29 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

I could never figure out why you build a school with entry points on only one side of the school. The traffic is horrible every morning. That being said, we leave early enough each day to get there at least 10 minutes before the bell. So far so good.

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Ann

9:06 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013

sounds like you do not go or have a child that goes to the High school - there are entry points on the north and south side of the building. All students who are driven or dropped off are to use the north. The south side is used for busses and mose of the busses pull up on the west drop off and leave therefore, they are not clogging up the parking lot.

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Johnny

2:58 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Ann, I do drive kids to the high school. My point being that 60th street is the only street that enters the high school driveways. Seems to me that having more than the 60th street entrances would have made sense. BUT LIKE MY POST SAID, WE LEAVE EARLY ENOUGH TO GET TO SCHOOL 10 MINUTES EARLY.

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Ann

5:37 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

there was no way to make an entrance off of Layton - in addition, this would have been worse. The old high school also entered off of 60th, except they had 3 exits with 2 entrances. Now there is just 2.

Danielle Winter

9:30 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

The tardies arent including late buses. I also agree with Ann. As a parent of 2 highschoolers it isnt fair to my kids that their class is interrupted by student who are consistently late.

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Kelly Verges

11:41 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

I think it is about time that they are holding the students accountable. I recently had a meeting at school and as I was leaving at 8:15 there were many students just strolling into the school as if they had all the time in the world to get there. Many of these students were driving themselves so you can't really blame the parents. They need to grow up and start being responsible. It is not fair to the parents & students who make it a point to be there on time.

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Concerned

8:04 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Schools and society in general need more of a shift of the accountability on the students and the parents and not direct it so much to the staff. I wonder what the consequences are for missing too much class? Do they flunk, not earn credits, have to take summer school to earn credits? How about a tax credit for parents with students with perfect attendance? How about having the parents and students held accountable instead of the teachers and administration. Our society is really not seeing the value of getting an education anymore. Folks better take notice that it wasn't that long ago that only the elite were able to afford an education! Our schools should have lines forming outside before the day begins for the opportunity to learn. Instead so many are looking to do what they can to do less learning.

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GreenfieldParent

12:19 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Agree completely, except for the tax credit thing. I'd suggest kids with lots of unexcused absences should be placed on academic probation. If they don't improve, get them out.

Pam S.

9:06 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013

There is a difference between strolling in at 8:30, and getting there at 7:11. How many absences were there on Friday? How many students didn't even attend if they were going to be late?

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Ann

9:10 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013

If you ever want to get a good laugh - stand on 60th Street where you can see the parking lot entrance and watch up and down 60th street as parents/students driving are speeding and passing in the curb lane (which is not allowed per the signs posted) and the school parking lot between 7 and 7:15 AM because they couldn't get their lazy butts out of the house on time. It is about time that they are going back to the good o'le days of making the parents/students responsible. To many times this school district as a whole has changed or done things so "mommy" doesn't call the administration. No if "mommy" or student does not like how the rules are for everyone - then back your things and move - don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out.

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Ann

9:11 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013

sorry meant "pack" not "back"

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Johnny

3:06 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Why would you think it's funny watching people trying to navigate a very busy area to get their kids to school? Seems a little sick to me. We leave early enough to get into the lot with plenty of time to spare but I sure don't laugh at the people trying to get in after me.

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Ann

5:37 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

@Johnny - if you ever watch - it is always the same ones - and mostly it is the grown ups that do it - great role models

GreenfieldParent

12:06 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Agreed with all. It is about time. We pay thousands of dollars PER kid to give them an education--including mine. The lack of discipline and disruptive behavior has to stop-period. Any parent or kid that objects to being treated unfairly should go to the Milwaukee Public Schools or somewhere else where THEY will tolerate it. We shouldn't tolerate it here. We need to support our principals, teachers, and School Board with this.

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Lee

12:10 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

I still think the start time is too early. But having said that, I do applaud the Principal for taking a stand. Yes, and I do agree, 1-2 minutes late, is late, but strolling in after
10 minutes is ridiculous. Some action was needed. Good for him. Start time is what it is, must adapt.

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GreenfieldParent

12:17 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

"Parents against the move called the idea horrible and juvenile, and one parent said a zero-tolerance policy is not the answer.
“Why should the child be punished for the parent’s actions,” she wrote."

All I can say is that these young students better realize that the world is a tough place and no one is going to be pampering them in a couple years. If their parents are irresponsible, then it's up to them to be responsible. The problem is that many of these parents were once the little smarts arses doing exactly what their kids are doing now. Enough with the excuses. School isn't a day care or a hang out. It's a place to learn. If any parent or student doesn't want to do that, leave.

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JustMe

2:34 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

My DD graduated from GH 5 years ago. I remember the few times I drove her in the morning (she was NEVER late) seeing a lot of kids walking from the Speedway gas station (60th& Layton) with their coffees and sodas. They didn't look like they were in any hurry to get to school.Glad to see the scholl is going something about tardies. At my job if you're late you get docked pay plus it counts against you. They don't even give you a break in bad weather because it's YOUR responsibility to get to work on time even if you have to wake up earlier and leave your house earlier.

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Ann

5:40 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

They still stroll over to speedway in the AM and take their sweet time getting back. At my job - when they offer OT - if you are a minute late - even for weather - turn around and go back home - door locked

GF homeowner

3:51 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Here's the answer to your timeliness conflict -- home school! No busses, no timelines, no stress! Higher quality of learning!

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Ann

5:41 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

No higher quality of learning - not held accountable for grades/outcomes - just a way to be lazy -

KHD

6:46 am on Sunday, March 24, 2013

After just two days of the new Tardie policy, it seems to be working already. I hope Mr. Thusius leaves the policy in place for the remainder of the school year to see how much of an impact it has. It also has an impact on learning. As one teacher posted on Greenfield Patch on face book. • Lynn Ludwig: " I have been averaging 6 students arriving late every day for first hour for the past few weeks. That is 6 times during a 53 minute period that I have to stop teaching to open the door and let someone in, change attendance, and get that student caught up. The last couple of days I have been able to get an extra 10-15 minutes of teaching in and have been able to help more individual students with their work during class time. The students who were still late may not have benefitted from sitting in the PAC for the hour, but the ones who were on time sure benefitted in the classroom." The kids that are responsible enough to get there on time, benefit as well.

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KHD

7:01 am on Sunday, March 24, 2013

This also brings up another issue. Long time advocate (Dolores Skowronek) for changing the school start time later, has used the tardy issue as one argument for doing so. The start time issue will be discussed and possibly acted on at tomorrows (3/5/2013) School Board meeting. The new cost estimates are in, and it will cost $200,000 more YEARLY to change the time. Fiscal Impact:
The administration has researched three viable options with the start and end times. The increase over the current cost for each option is as follows:
Option B: $223,671.60
Option C: $204,436.80
Option D: $182,107.80 (18 Buses)
Option D: $216,367.20 (19 Buses)
As one teacher said at a meeting earlier in the year, - High school special education teacher Cindy Sibley, a 14-year veteran said changing the school start time at a steep price doesn’t make much sense. She said the district doesn’t have enough guidance councilors — she said having just one at the Middle School was absurd — and believes a police liaison officer at the Middle School would go a long way in sending a message that the district does not tolerate bullying and fighting.
Sibley also said the district has several non-English speaking students and money could be better spent meeting their needs.
“Right now we have so many more needs where $200,000 could go and right now we’re not meeting some of our basic needs,” she said. -
The money could be spent much more wisely elswhere.

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KHD

7:05 am on Sunday, March 24, 2013

Go to the Board meeting, call or E-mail the school board members and tell them $200,000 for changing the start time and bussing is absurd.

Member: Position: Phone #:
Bruce Bailey President (414)
E-Mail: bbailey@admin.greenfield.k12.wi.us 321-8225

Pam Sierzchulski Vice-President (414)
E-Mail: psierzchulski@admin.greenfield.k12.wi.us 379-4687

Don Carlson Board Treasurer (414)
Term Expires: 2013 719-0807
Cathy Walsh Board Clerk (414)
E-Mail: cwalsh@admin.greenfield.k12.wi.us 545-7117

Len Cich Board Member (414)
E-Mail: lcich@admin.greenfield.k12.wi.us 543-6439

Rick Moze Board Member (414)
E-Mail: rmoze@admin.greenfield.k12.wi.us 541-5224

Russell Spahn Board Member 414)
E-Mail: rspahn@admin.greenfield.k12.wi.us 543-3953

Burton Robertson

8:20 am on Sunday, March 24, 2013

I don't know why highschool don't do this but hit the kids with something they love... tie discpline and grades to their Prking permits... Getting one and keeping it... I know at our high school parking is limited and those that don't get them can end up walking quite a distance. why is it so difficult for the admin to figure this out.. grade point below 2.0 no parking permit,, too many tardies... No Parking Permit, violate athletic code or code of conduct, school rules etc......NO PARKING PERMIT
This not only causes them discomfort, it also hits them in the social standing world.. and the pocket book as most schools charge for the permits. depending upon the school and additional non permit parking it may force some kids to ..Oh MY GOD RIDE THE BUS !!!!
if they can correct their ways they can get back on the waiting list. or maybe it's just a temporary suspension of the permit so after they get back on track they get the permit back. In either case I'm sure it would definitely be something the kids wouldn't want to lose!
In addition to creating a way "Hit them where it hurts" if you are issuing new permits it will create a little revenue and reward kids who do behave with the ability to get a permit !

Just my thoughts

Burt R.

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Ann

8:43 am on Sunday, March 24, 2013

GHS does not give free parking permits - I believe they cost $100 or $200 for the year. Here is the problem - this actually happened this year - a student showed up on registration day - to get class schdule and pay school fees. He had his yearly tution fees waived because they couldn't afford it - (yearly tution fee is like $80 approx) - so he didn't have to pay it because his parents couldn't afford it - but he paid the fee for the parking permit. Wait a minute - if you can't pay tution how in the ..... can your family afford the parking permit, car, gas, car insurance. Greenfield better start making the parents prove their inability to pay tution fees and reduced lunch fees - why are the rest of the parents/taxpayers having to subsidies school fees for these students -

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KHD

9:26 am on Sunday, March 24, 2013

Ann: If a Kid can afford a parking permit, but not tuition or lunch, that is UNBELIEVABLE. As a taxpayer, I hope this is not true. The Administration should cross check this and have them pay Tuition and lunches before the Parking permit. If this goes on, someone should be held accountable to the Taxpayer. I don't mind paying for those that truly can't afford it. But if this happens it is truly a rip for the Greenfield residents.

John Seymour

11:37 am on Sunday, March 24, 2013

KHD and Ann...the administration has NO control over who gets free/reduced lunches and fees. That is completely determined by the federal/state. The families fill out a from and there is a sliding scale based on reported income and number of family member. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THE ADMINISTRATION OF ANY SCHOOL DISTRICT CAN CHANGE.

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KHD

4:28 pm on Sunday, March 24, 2013

John: That being said, I still don't think it is right. I also think the High School should ask for proof of Insurance and how long the insurance is good for, when the kids pay for the parking permit. After all, it is the law. Insurance for these kids is somewhere around $100 a month. How they can pay that and get free tuition and lunch is beyond me.

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Johnny

8:43 pm on Sunday, March 24, 2013

My goodness KHD, you certainly like to run other peoples' lives. You seem to know what everybody should and should not do.

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Ann

9:11 pm on Sunday, March 24, 2013

@Johnny - KHD has it absolutely correct - why should the taxpayers pay for some kids tution/lunch fees if they can afford to pay the parking fee and have a car? When my child went to the school he did not have a car and still doesn't because we can't afford the extra insurance. We paid his tution and his full lunch fees. Bet you think it is perfectly fine to be on food stamps and buy all junk food instead of putting nutrious meals on the table.

Johnny

9:29 pm on Sunday, March 24, 2013

Of course I don't but I also don't assume everyone is cheating. Maybe I just have a different outlook. That's ok. I won't assume everyone is cheating and you will so we'll cancel each other out. I shouldn' read the comments on stories like this. It's just a bunch of people knowing what's best for everyone else. I get my kids to school early so we don't have to deal with the tardy issue. I don't presume to tell anyone else what to do with their kds.

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KHD

5:02 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

Johnny: Someone has to tell these Parents what to do, obviously they don't know what time school starts. I make sure my kids are there on time. Why should my Kids learning be interrupted by late students. Not fair to them or the Teachers. To many people these days think they are entitled to free things, then spend money like they're rock stars . Like I said, don't mind paying for family's that truly need help, but some abuse the system. My kids do not have a car as I can't afford one and the insurance, but I pay tuition and lunch.

Milwaukee Mom

10:56 pm on Sunday, March 24, 2013

Not every student is old enough to drive to school, and not every student has a car. Many students are dropped off by parents. A restriction on parking would be ineffective for most. I'm loving the new policy. My child's education is important, and repeated disruptions are not fair to him. Thanks, Mr. T!

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KHD

5:05 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

The new policy is Great, long time coming. I think it will work fine.

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Burton Robertson

6:42 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

Mom... I do agree parking wouldn't effect them all but the ones it would "OUCH" !

Concerned

6:14 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

I applaud Mr. Thusius on this! I think he needs to take it another step further and those late students log the minutes they missed and they serve that time in an after school study hall, or have fines that accumulate until graduation. Fines not paid no diploma and/or transcripts held, any fun fees (yearbook, athletics, etc.) go automatically toward fines first. If they show up for graduation and walk on stage to their name not being called and not handed a diploma- public humiliation.

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FranklinParent

11:51 am on Monday, April 1, 2013

My son is in first grade at a private school. We recently received notice that the school is cracking down as well. Their policy includes a variety of things including 4th tardy is after school detention. I thought that was harsh, but you have to prepare kids for the reality of the real world. It drives me nuts all the people that can't get their butts to work on time at my office.

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