Is it Socialism, or Marxism?

It's a hybrid mix. Just like Obama himself.

Keith, Bren and Steve,

You can stop spewing false pro-Romney propaganda. The SOCIALIST nonsense was disproven by Politifact in early 2012. Please do your research before posting more Romney fiction. It makes all Republicans look terribly ignorant!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/08/rick-perry/rick-perry-says-barack-obama-socialist/

@Beth Norquist -

Rachel Maddow of MSNBC stated that Politifact is not a reliable so-called 'fact-checking' organization.

Personally, Hoffa doesn't trust any of the so-called 'fact-checkers,' as how do you know that they aren't biased, and who fact-checks the so-called 'fact-checkers?' There are many self-declared 'fact-checkers' out there, and rarely do the so-called 'fact-checkers' fully agree with one another. Isn't that proof enough that these so-called 'fact-checkers' aren't worth a second of your time - that is of course if you value accurate information?

Try researching the primary sources for yourself, making your own analysis, and coming to your own conclusions - that what us big boys call 'thinking.'

Instead of entrusting the task of thinking to third party secondary sources, as doing so only makes you a lazy sheep/lemming!

What 'primary sources', Hoffa? Other than being right in the room when something happens or being given access to records, it's impossible. Even the primary sources will have a bias in some cases.

@Randy1949 -

Obviously, the issue of whether or not someone or their policies represent socialism is a highly subjective assessment, thus, how could an agency claiming to be 'fact' based make an objective analysis of such an allegation?

Let's think a little, instead of constantly allowing others to do it for us!

And always defer to primary sources when available, otherwise at least be wise enough to question the accuracy and validity of the secondary sources - is that too much to ask?

Yea go back to the days when we put wars on a chinese credit card...

@JRH...I am becoming disappointed with your escalation of negative partisan rhetoric. You are beginning to sound like some of the more unsavory commentators. Please remember, we'll still be here after the election, no matter who wins.

@Lyle -

If Michelle didn't break her promise to remain silent, then there wouldn't be an issue.

Don't you think that our leaders should lead by example? And when our first lady is caught in a LIE, don't you think it's important to expose, especially during an election year where the incumbent is seeking a second term?

By contrast, the Romney's all adhered to their agreement to remain silent during the debate.

Living up to the agreements one makes in life is a part of leading by example, wouldn't you say?

@JRH...Sometimes there are things just not worth commenting on. The bigger picture is much more important and this nonsense of nit picking everything is unproductive. I would suggest you step away for a little while and see if you don't retrieve your objectivity. Are you an independent or not?

Lyle, for a guy that never hesitates calling out a conservative for being unsportsmanlike, the rest of us are giggling ourselves silly over your defending the first lady for being flagged for taunting at the debate. 15 yards and a pox on your house for being demonstrably tin eared for not being more observant (and circumspect)

Lyle: You have been quite quiet on the other threads, is there some reason for this?

@Lyle -

How come there was never ever lecture from you towards Bren or morninmist for their nitpicking over Romney's car elevator, the incident with Romney's family dog, the college hair cutting thing, etc?

They both certainly mentioned all of those and other trivial events on a regular enough basis to have caught your attention, and certainly, if what Hoffa said here warranted a lecture, then the lecture on Bren's and morninmist's comments from you is long overdue!

Hoffa is very independent - but one of his pet-peeves is when leaders don't lead by example, and Obama has been notorious over the course of his term for saying one thing and doing the exact opposite himself, as if the rules don't apply to him and his family for some reason or another.

And Hoffa's been very independent wherein he has constantly pointed out his admiration of Jimmy Carter for being a man who was very good at and commendable for walking his talk! Carter earned respect by being a man of character.

If Barack and Michelle had any class at all, they'd apologize to the nation for Michelle's breach of the agreement that she made when she walked into the hall that night. For all we know, other people in the room may have taken their cue to start applauding from her.

Like Hoffa said - lead by example or go home!

He was being polite. She lied out loud over over the dead ambassador. Their families cry out for justice.