School District's 'Culture' Called into Question
Greenfield School Board members voiced concerns about a board-staff communication policy, which spiraled into a conversation about the relationship between staff and administration.
A Greenfield School Board member’s distaste about a new staff policy that tells staff not to come to the school board with concerns and complaints set off a war of words about the district's culture.
The policy, drafted by administration at the board's request and approved in July, directs staff to bring concerns and complaints that fall outside the previously established grievance policy to the administration—and not directly to board members. This is the heart of board member Rick Moze's issue with the new policy, which led to a tense and testy discussion at Monday's meeting.
The policy, after the board approved it, drew the ire of Greenfield teacher union president Kerri Jo Patten. Moze, who was not on the board when the policy was approved, agreed with Patten. He called the policy a violation of employees’ freedom of speech and said employees should be able to talk to board members whenever they want.
“The problem is the administration of this district does not like what citizens, taxpayers, employees and parents are saying about them or the district, so whenever possible, they censor whatever people are saying,” Moze said.
“The policy needs to be revamped so employees can come to us if they have a concern if they don’t feel comfortable coming to administration.”
Moze’s comments set off a lengthy debate about the policy and a back-and-forth about the district’s culture. At the heart of the debate was the policy’s first paragraph:
"The Board of Education has a legitimate interest in maintaining order by directing that employee communications to the School Board move initially through the chain of command to the District Administrator. Employees are expected to follow the established chain of communication as described in this policy. Failure to do so may result in employee discipline."
While board members seemed to come to a consensus that a chain of command is important and should be outlined, they also felt what some of them called a threat of discipline should not be included.
“Is that the culture we want to have, that this board wants to have, with our teachers and other employees and the citizens that approach us?” board member Russ Spahn asked. “The language needs to be improved, that cloak of secrecy and the threat (removed).”
Board member Cathy Walsh said staff should be able to come to board members at anytime without any repercussions, a common thread all board members appeared to agree on.
Superintendent Conrad Farner said administration listens to concerns from staff on a daily basis and that the policies in place are working. He added that no policy, new or old, has ever prevented a staff member from speaking at a meeting or approaching individual board members
“To characterize that wording as a threat, it’s not a threat,” Farner said. “That’s just saying that in the case of someone doing something inappropriate there may be discipline.
“We’re just trying to get the problem solved. …. Some people don’t like the decision that’s made and then go above the administration’s head. The point of this policy, I think was to address that because that can create a chaotic environment if every employee that doesn’t like a decision that was made essentially says now I can go right to the board.
“It’s just not fair to the administration. Administration’s not going to want to do their job if every decision they make is going to be second-guessed because somebody didn’t like it.”
Spahn said the policy, as it is written, is a gag order.
“I don’t want that culture here,” Spahn said.
“I agree, Russ. We don’t have that culture here,” Farner replied. “Just because some people say that does not mean that’s the culture. There’s too much evidence that suggests otherwise.”
Spahn said he has evidence that “says just the opposite” but did not elaborate.
John Seymour
12:51 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Keep at it Board....their is a terrible culture in GSD. King Farner and his ilk are ruling the land. If you disagree you are gone. I point out again all of the teachers and administrators who have left for bigger and much better things after dedicating years to the children and families of Greenfield. FARNER NEEDS TO GO NOW.
Lee
1:42 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Ditto.
GreenfieldParent
4:34 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Ditto
Greenfield Resident Too!
2:15 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Farner is a very, very intimidating man; in my opinion he should have never been recontracted in our school district. If you ask other districts they would not employ him even with a doctorial degree....thats right he doesn't have one!
John Seymour
5:10 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
He has tried on multiple occasions to get a new job...Green Bay = no interview...St. Francis = interview for PRINCIPAL'S (a demotion) job = turned down. Those are just two example I know of. He also was a stand in "finalist" for two other jobs just because they needed 2 candidates to make it look good.
Concerned
9:11 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
This policy is unbelievable! How are the parents of this district not more worried about this? Why is Farner so concerned about what staff might say to the board? There’s never been a need for a policy like this before? Why now? How much more can the board allow the sup to sweep under the rug?
SickOfThe Naysayers
2:05 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
Nearly every district in Wisconsin and the surrounding states have this policy which is written byNEOLA - not administration - are they all wrong????? Do you not have a "chain of command in your household" or are the 12 yr olds allowed to make all the decisions or override the ones they don't like...seriously
Ann
4:59 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
they better do something soon before this school district really goes down the tubes - its amazing how they let the sup get away with the things he does.
Russ Spahn
7:03 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Thank you for your accurate reporting once again Mr. Cotey. I would encourage your readers to attend the Board meetings and bring their concerns to the Citizen Commentary portion of the meeting. The current Board is interested in what "everyone" has to say. We want to be well informed so that we can make the best decisions for the District.
Jean
8:42 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Mr. Spahn,
Spahn said he has evidence that “says just the opposite” but did not elaborate.
If this is true I think you need to make this "evidence" public knowledge. I hear a few people complaining about Mr. Farner, but it always seems to be the same folks. I'm not saying give names, but if you have reliable information that calls the "culture" in the district into question then it's your responsibility as a board member to share it with the entire board and the citizens. Everyone needs to have informed opinions. Having the community get hyped up over a few people making "inflammatory" statements isn't right.
I have a child still in the district and I am very concerned about the "culture" and how it affects learning, but I'm not jumping on the "anti-admin." bandwagon until there is real proof. Mr. Thusius said they are trying to create a sense of community and belonging in the high school, and in every school I'm sure. How is this helping?
John Seymour
9:43 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Jean, the individual schools are doing a great job. It is the central office admin. that is the major problem. Conrad is a bully. The building administrators for the most part are awesome to work with and for. Conrad's main goal is to get rid of anyone who disagrees with him. I have been in meeting with him where people offer a different opinion and he goes into a red faced, vein popping tirade. This happens often. The Board knows it and has heard in on multiple occasions. That is why people are leaving. Other than the trouble at Maple Grove last year, the buildings have a decent culture. You'll never get anyone to speak up publicly...they will lose their jobs. He controls everything.
Lee
10:12 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
You see the same "names" because in everything only a few choose to act. Jean you need to become involved so that you too are aware of what is going on. This isn't just a few making "inflammatory" statements. When you have teachers and administrators who are being "blocked by the bully" from even offering a differing opinion I would say there is a problem in the school district. Come to the meetings to see for yourself. The wrong culture will poison the environment eventually, Which in this case is learning. We have already lost great teachers, we do not want to loose any more.
Jean
3:25 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Lee, I work in the school district and I've been very involved as a parent also. How do you know I don't attend the meetings? I may not get to all of them, but if I can't I record and watch them.
If the board truly does know that Mr. Farner is behaving the way some say, then I
expect them to get rid of him. I just can't believe that they would know that(as John Seymour says) "he goes into a red faced, vein popping tirade" and not do anything about it.
That's why I would like to know that Mr. Spahn is acting on this information-if it's true.
robert heule
10:55 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
School District employees like any other citizens have a fundamental right to communicate with Board Members as they do with other elected officials anywhere in this land.. In addition to the Freedom of Speech clause of the First Amendment, the last clause says that the right of the people to peaceably assemble to petition the government for redress of grievances shall never be abridged. This applys in Greenfield as well as in Madison or Berkeley CA. The proposal stains the lifeblood of the progressive heritage of Wisconsin and other states of the upper Midwest. This kind of policy belongs in the former Confederacy.
Billy Ray
1:51 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
What other institution or organization allows for employees to skip a chain of command or a communication model to complain? Does a worker at the DMV who doesn't like the chair he sits go to the governor and complain about the working conditions? Does a person in the Social Security office who doesn't like the dress code policy complain to the president? The answer is obviously no. I think the point of the policy is to ensure an orderly fashion of communication about issues in the district. If something is so egregious as to warrant communication with the board then there are whistleblower laws in place to protect that person from discipline or retribution. Every organization of any size has a model of communication or chain of command in place to ensure efficient functioning of that organization. Perhaps, the "threat" of discipline can be removed, but this policy is nothing out of the ordinary. I also think the culture of the district is not being poisoned on the administrative level. What I do think is happening is that the union understands that they no longer have power and getting 10 or 12 people to complain in a discussion board on the Patch is a way to try to obtain some leverage. The union hacks on the board like Spahn, Moze, and Walsh are just there to do the bidding of their union buddies. This is and always has been the poison in the culture of public educaiton. The community needs to understand this and change board members in the next election.
Lee
4:08 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
It is within any employees right to complain to the highest level of their organization.
How do you know a DMV worker has not gone to the Governor. Same goes for the Social Security employee. Maybe they contacted the President. How would you know if they did or did not. Their option. Greenfield employees should have the same option. They don't have to fear "threat" of discipline either. And just for the record, I am not a union hack. Never belonged to a union, and probably never will.
Your comments were your opinion, just like my comments are my opinion. I hope the board remains diverse in mind. Prevents a dictatorship.
John Seymour
5:02 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Billy Ray, This has nothing to do with union power or lack of. It has to do with the culture of an educational institution. It is horrible and one man is to blame. Non union employees have left for better places as well as teachers. I can guarantee you that the people on this site are NOT union members.
Erika Knemeyer-Babic
6:05 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Any employee has a right to contact higher levels of authority in their organization. School district employees are also citizens who have rights to speak to their elected officials. The issue of bringing frivolous things to a high level will take care of itself. Someone who contact the school board to complain about the color of their chair probably has other issues. In the organization I work for (hundreds of employees) I can talk to the Executive Director any time I want to, but I would not do so unless it was appropriate and important.
robert heule
3:19 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Billy Ray, tell me the difference between a school employee and me as fellow American from communicating with an elected official(s). As far as you calling Spahn, Moze and Walsh union hacks,you are wrong. I know Cathy Walsh for over two decades and she is there for one reason and that is a good education for the children of Greenfield, the same goes for Mr.Spahn and Mr. Moze. You have some other members who interpret the result of the June 5th recall election a Greenfield mandate to screw public employees. That is not the case. Be reminded that if it was not for unions we would not have the standard 40 hour work week, paid vacations, health benefits, OSHA, fair employment and anti-discriminintion laws. By the way, on the light side "Billy Ray" sounds like a guy from the former Confederacy.
Billy Ray
4:33 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
I never said an employee couldn't talk to the board. All I'm saying is that the process that is being called for is not out of line nor atypical. The assertions that the policy is a sign of a dictatorship is ridiculous. You whiners on this thread and all of the others are trying to start wildfires where there is not even smoke. There are constant references to illegal actvity, etc, etc, wah-wah-wah, blah-blah-blah. Everything you say is unsubstantiated and uneducated. It's odd that you think Farner is the bully as the tactics you employ are those of bullies. It is also often the menality of children who don't like to be told what to do. Farner is a superintendent of a sizeable school district. Just because ten people didn't have their ideas incorporated into the curriculum, or whatever, that does not equal a dictator or bully. It equals a boss. Bosses are paid to make the final decisions. Grow up.
Lee
5:36 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
I do not think Farner is an effective leader/boss. Period. So now I am LABELED a union hack, a whiner and uneducated. All I did was look at how he has handled his position. Now, that of course is my OPINION. No need for me to grow up. Did that already. Sorry it was not to your liking. And by the way, ten is way over the number needed for a forum.
John Seymour
5:04 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Oh Billy Ray...to be so naive.
Billy Ray
5:55 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Please John enlighten me. Pull me from this darkness of naievety.
John Seymour
7:58 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Be happy to. Read previous comments on stories regarding this man and his leadership. His false claims about ACT scores and the number students taking it is a start, the fact that so many great people left for much higher performing (and demanding) districts says a lot. The fact that he has accused school board members publicly in meetings with staff of being "stupid", "lazy", "incompetent" etc. (the list could go on). Nobody can say anything against him...he will try and destroy you. He has told people "You are dead to me." when they get a promotion to another district. This is just a start. I've tried to say what else has gone on...those comments have been removed. He is luck Spahn is withholding info and giving him a chance to change.
Billy Ray
9:42 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
What was false about the ACT claims? Can you verify? Is the number of people that have left any different than districts of comparable size? Do you know? Can you verify? There are teachers that are lazy, incompentent, and stupid. The truth hurts.
John Seymour
10:20 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
When he claimed the scores were low due to the high number of students taking the ACT when in fact, many districts had a much higher participation rate and much higher scores. He also claimed only 20ish percent of GSD students go to 4-year college. Later proven false by DPI numbers. Yeah, 13 administrators leaving in 2 years and 20-30 teachers resigning...those are high numbers. Nice come back with the name calling Billy Ray, or should I say Conrad?
robert heule
10:27 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012
Billy Ray, You right wingers expect public employees or any other persons to sacriface their constitutional rights because you disagree with their grievances. Do you think that petitioning the government is disobeying authority? Conservates are trying to destroy the Bill of Rights except the 2nd Amendment.
robert heule
11:45 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012
The term "Chain of Command" does not belong in civilian environment.