Should Whitnall Change its School Start Times?
The district is considering changes for all levels, plus the addition of late starts to allow for more teacher collaboration.
Too many unanswered questions and a desire from parents from more information prevented the Whitnall School Board from making major changes to the district’s calendar and the average school day.
The Whitnall School District brought a proposal to the board Monday that included changes in the schools’ start times, as well as adding late starts on designated days throughout the school year.
But the proposal was tabled until January because of too much uncertainty.
One element of the proposal called for the high school to change its start time from 7:15 a.m. to 7:45 a.m. The building would still open at 7 p.m. for a “zero hour” that could include student clubs or guided study halls that some students could be required to attend to get needed support and boost grades.
“One of the main driving forces was the 7:15 start for high schoolers was very early for teenagers to get up, be motivated and be listening,” said Thomas Vogel, the district’s Director of Special Education and Human Resources. “When you compare our start time to others, ours is very early.”
The middle school would move its start time from 7:45 a.m. to 8 a.m. and the district’s elementary schools would move from 8:40 a.m. to 8:30 a.m.
Another element of the calendar proposal incorporates more time for staff collaboration within grade levels and subject areas. All levels would utilize a late start to provide time for staff to share information and ideas.
The high school and middle school would have students start one hour later on the second and fourth Wednesdays of the month, or at 8:45 a.m. for the high school and 9 a.m. for the middle school. Elementary school students would start one hour later – or at 9:30 a.m. – every Wednesday.
According to Vogel, bus times would stay the same for high school students, even on late start days. Elementary and middle school bus times would change, but no costs were discussed.
Earlier this year, when the Greenfield School District tried to change it start times, the school board shot down the administration’s proposals because of additional bus costs.
Uncertainty surrounding what parents of elementary and middle school students can do with their children on late start Wednesdays were one of the key reasons the conversation was tabled until January.
Board member Stephanie Richter said late starts could cause inconveniences for working parents who have to be to their jobs before their child had to be at school.
“We don’t have critical answers to significant questions,” Richter said.
Jon Jones, a district resident, asked who covered the cost of the morning programs and why many parents had not heard of the potential changes prior to the meeting’s agenda posting.
Vogel said the district was working on arrangements with the YMCA, the city’s Parks and Recreation Department or district staff to cover the early-morning hours. Potential costs for those arrangements were not discussed.
“Right now the only question mark at the elementary level is what group are we going to go with,” Superintendent Lowell Holtz said. “I’m sure we’ll be able to come up with something where the kids are not home alone or standing outside waiting for doors to unlock.
“I’m not worried about the product. I think we have a good product. If we left someone out of the process, that was an oversight on my end.”
Board member TJ Anderson said adopting the changes now would give parents nine months to make arrangements by next September.
“It may be a change, but it’s a change for the better,” he said. “We’re going to have opportunities for our students in the morning and we’re going to give students available times to meet with teachers.”
Dolores Skowronek
10:44 pm on Tuesday, December 13, 2011
I’m very happy to see that Whitnall is considering a high school start time change. Early start times impact a teen’s health and ability to think and learn. The harmful effects of early start times and sleep loss have been documented repeatedly in the research literature. The evidence is overwhelming. This evidence has lead to a growing outcry from parents and medical professionals across the country. It’s good to see that Whitnall’s administration is trying to do the right thing. Parents and teachers – please support a later high school start time. The well-being of your children depends on it. Use this link to sign national petition against early high school start times: http://signon.org/sign/promote-legislation-to.fb1?source=s.fb&r_by=1521139
Dr Vanco Mayacin
10:20 am on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
How about telling parents to get their kids to bed earlier, that might be a easier way to insure kids are not drowsey in the morning. My mom was raised on a farm, they were up at the crack of dawn to do chores and then they had to go to school, come home and do more chores in the evening. You support doing something at the detriment of the parents and their jobs. The average person does not have the protection of the union or tenure, telling ones boss that I need to come in late and I also have to leave early is not something most employers will tolerate. Why don't the teachers just meet on Saturdays, then there is no problem.
Whitnall Student
1:16 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Im pretty sure starting 30 minutes earlier wouldn't save too many lives.. Also, I don't believe school start times have changed drastically since we were in school, and our generation seems to have survived.
robert heule
4:12 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Dolores, you are 100% right.Greenfield, as you well know has unforunately gone in the opposite direction. How will the new law that allows school boards to judge teachers on the basis of test scores apply when students are adversly affected by early starting times?
Ann
7:14 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Dolores is a nut case - she insisted the greenfield school board do a study spent $$$$$$ they didn't have to support her theory. It would have cost Greenfields district over $600,000 just to change bussing. Changing times isn't going to solve anything - The students just will have later practices/games for extra-curricular - they will start work later ending their work shifts later - and they will be up later studying and texting their friends. If you think not you are fooling yourselves - look at your kids facebook pages and see the times that messages are posted. In addition, starting later - will end up having the kids in sports/extra curricular to miss classes at the end of the day so they can leave for their activity - therefore missing important class time.
David Cotey
8:28 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Ann, I appreciate the debate but do not want to see any further name-calling. There is no need for it.
David P
7:57 pm on Sunday, February 5, 2012
I don't agree with your words about Dolores, and I don't think it was respectful to call her a "nut case", but I most certainly agree with you on our start time. I'm a Greenfield High School student who is maintaining a great GPA. I wake up at 5! I go to bed around 10. It's fine! I don't mind having an early start time because the earlier release is absolutely great! I can do so much more in my day! ALOT of kids play video games LATE at night and they text/go on Facebook.
Ann
7:16 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
In addition - by the time they begin high school - they need to grow up - well part of growing up is learning how to get up in the morning. We all did it and we are fine.
4 Greenfield
7:41 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Labeling someone a "nutcase" is very offensive. Do the research, Ann. And try to be respectful of people who have a different opinion than yours...especially when they have done the research and consulted with experts, which you, obviously, have not. If we are truly interested helping our children to be more successful in school, we should be looking everything that impacts their performance, including school start times.
And Ann, what $$$$ did Greenfield spend to support the theory that getting more sleep can help improve behavior and performance of high school students? I believe that the only cost involved keeping the central office open for a few committee meetings. From what I read, Dolores did the research herself, and invited adolescent sleep experts (medical doctors) to the meetings, who did not charge the district for their services!
David Cotey
10:32 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
This from a Greenfield Patch Facebook user: "My kids start at 7:30. They have never been late to school. They are 12, 14, 15 and 17. They wake themselves up with an alarm clock, eat, pack a lunch, shower and WALK to school. We also make them go to bed at 9pm the night before...even the 17 year old. That makes ALL the difference in the world."
Ben Hogan
11:05 am on Thursday, December 15, 2011
David you might want to reference your readers to the Menomenee Falls School District in which they are looking to go the other direction right now. I believe it was a patch story as well. Good points can be made on both sides, but as always, coming up with the extra money is the problem.
David Cotey
11:18 am on Thursday, December 15, 2011
Hey Ben. Thanks for the tip. Here's the link: http://menomoneefalls.patch.com/articles/school-board-delays-decision-on-high-school-start-time
You're right - good points on both sides.
Ben Hogan
12:12 pm on Thursday, December 15, 2011
Hey David I was suprised to see that Dolores was unable to speak at the Falls School board meeting because she is not a Falls Citizen. I think this policy should be adopted by Greenfield as well.
Dolores Skowronek
1:42 pm on Thursday, December 15, 2011
I need to clarify a few things. First, I never asked our district to spend money on a study. I did, however, spend countless hours researching this issue and compiling data – on my own time. I shared my findings with the district for free. Second, the most recent start time proposal had a price tag of $208,000 (not $600,000). This money was already in the budget and was to be transferred into the transportation fund. Finally, I’m actually quite sane.
Maribel Ibrahim
7:35 pm on Thursday, December 15, 2011
Dolores, I commend and applaud you for your efforts in advocating for our children when no one else will.
Change is difficult, but I say get informed before blasting out a hasty opinion on this issue. We all grew up and were just fine with secondhand smoke, lap belts or even no restraints in rear carseats. Does this mean that, now that there is overwhelming research to the contrary, that we should just let our kids breathe second hand smoke and sit unrestrained in cars. Obviously not.
The majority of folks will "deal" with early starts. But, the evidence is undeniable. Since the early starts have been implemented, there has been an increase in teen driver fatalities, increased depression, lower test scores and impaired functioning and judgement. (see http://www.sleepfoundation.org/article/hot-topics/backgrounder-later-school-start-times
and http://tinyurl.com/brookings-school-study). So, yeah, if we want to settle for what used to be OK, then I guess we are just fine with the way things are.
Maribel Ibrahim
7:36 pm on Thursday, December 15, 2011
Get informed and make a sound decision. Visit www.StartSchoolLater.net
robert heule
9:20 pm on Thursday, December 15, 2011
@Ben Hogan, since citizens pay state income and sales taxes and revenue is sent back to local school districts, a citizen has a right to speak before a school board regardless of his or her residency. That is what we did in Greenfield at my demand in the 80's. Parochialism was killed and democracy was reborn.
robert heule
9:59 pm on Thursday, December 15, 2011
Happy Birthday Bill of Rights 220th
Forward>NotBackward
6:46 am on Friday, December 16, 2011
Supporting the needs of the students is never a bad idea. If we continue to live in a society that does not put education first, we will always be chasing our tails by trying to fix adults that cannot problem solve for themselves. How's about a story discussing the cost of education per year per student (~$10,000 a year) to the cost of incarceration and rehab (~$43,000 a year). Educating children is a BARGAIN!
Ben Hogan
10:23 am on Friday, December 16, 2011
How about another story about the completely undemocratic process in which the MATC board is chosen. Talk about taxation without representation! Robert Heule you should be all over this one. Here we have a taxing authority that is not even put in place by its' citizens.!!!!!!
robert heule
10:07 pm on Friday, December 16, 2011
Ben, get the law changed. talk to Scotty and the Fitz boys while they are still in office. I don't like the current system either, but I'm to busy with the recall effort at this time to bother with it.
Dr Vanco Mayacin
10:14 am on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
The reason the teachers and principles want to do this makes sense. However they want to implement something at the expense of the students and parents. Most parents, like students have specific start and end times to their day, Think about telling your boss that every Wednesday I need to start later and leave early, once in a while would be one thing, but every week is not something that most employers would tolerate. Think about if a teacher had an aid, and the aid said I can't start until 10am and I have to leave at 2pm, the teacher would say that this probably won't work out because I need to be effective I need you here when school starts until the end of the day. But this is the effect of the teachers being in a union, they are used to being able to manipulate the system to meet their needs. There is no proof that doing this will cause test scores and grade to markedly improve. The details of this have not been fully put together, at the board meeting we heard a lot of we need to find that out, I think we can do that, nothing really concrete except that the parents lives would be impacted greatly by this. If this is implemented expect to lose 10-20% of families, We are at a competitive disadvantage, now we want to make that greater by shortening the school week for the kids, so the teachers can meet more frequently. This does not add up for for me, the ends does not justify the means.